Report A Fake
The Fake flash memory wars are raging. Especially on eBay! It is up to you to make a difference! The frauded buyer can have the last word!
Please report your fake flash memory seller to us. SOSFakeFlash has been fighting the issue since 2008. Fraudulent sellers are stopped when buyers report. SOSFakeFlash will investigate and publish a report on the seller. This helps other victims who have been frauded, it helps them to stand up to the seller and to get their refunds. When buyers do not report sellers, the sellers continue to sell and fraud even more people.
Seebelow for the information we need. We do not have all sellers of counterfeit and false capacity usb flash drives, mpx players and memory cards on file. Your contribution helps everyone. Your information is registered in our database. We publish and warn others.
Addresses of sellers from your mailing envelopes are very helpful. It helps us to spot conterfeit fraud rings operating on eBay. Use the search box and type in your sellers id, if there is an article make sure to leave a comment and also your progress in dealing with him. When we publish your report, please use the ultimate weapon! Social media. If you have a facebook account use it to reference an article to warn your friends. It is the most important way you can contribute and save others from your horrible experience.
As of June 2009, SOSFakeFlash announced a zero tolerance policy.
One confirmation can lead to an alert against an eBay seller. There was no choice considering the number of sellers involved with fake flash memory selling. Investigators for SOSFakeFlash and the FrankenFlash project are highly trained to spot sellers. There is more than sufficient information on the internet for would be eBay sellers to exercise due diligence. eBay makes it a policy to insert into each eBay listing that a seller is solely responsible for what they list.
SOSFakeFlash will make no exceptions, regardless of eBay country of registration. Any alert published at SOSFakeFlash will not be removed, whether or not an eBay seller chooses to refund some buyers. Posturing and threats by eBay sellers are useless, in fact it usually leads to the eBay seller being investigated by eBay and being suspended. We deal in facts, period. You help in providing the facts.
Any attempt to claim “defective” will not be be received kindly, genuine flash memory storage chips are manufactured to the highest standards to ensure they can retain capacity, it is one of the reasons true flash memory is expensive. SOSFakeFlash shows no favoritism. An eBay seller in the Western world will receive the same treatment as one registered in an Asian country. If a brand name item is in question, an eBay seller must furnish proof from the brand name, attesting to the fact the items they sold were not counterfeit or false capacity. We expect the brand name to exonerate the seller by testifying the items were indeed “defective”. We do not expect to receive many emails from the brand name companies as most eBay seller caught did not buy directly from the brand name, nor an authorized reseller, most bought their inventory from Asian wholesaler sites and therefore are at risk of being frauded. You the eBay buyer, are not responsible for their poor lack of judgment. Your duty is to report the seller, to reduce the fraud for your fellow eBay members. It is the only way to reduce the fraud and scam eBay continues to permit. Should you feel sorry for the seller, you do a disservice to other eBay victims, you will contribute the the problem.
To anyone who feels a zero tolerance policy is harsh, we invite you to begin your research and to assess how much money is involved, how much profit and just how many people have lost data and files during the past 9 years on eBay.
We are nearing the end of 2011 and while sellers are being suspended, eBay continues to evade responsibility, despite the fact the issue is over 9 years old. Progress is being made, but only when buyers report. This is where you can matter. You would be very surprised how a single eBay member was able to stop a seller or even reduce the number of victims. It is all about making a small indivual effort. That little effort can have very sharp teeth.
- It is important you test your item to find it’s true capacity. Read: H2testw 1.4 – Gold Standard In Detecting USB Counterfeit Drives
- Do not assume if you have made a paypal claim and it has been closed that you can not reopen it. Many victims have been forced to do this. If you funded with a credit card, take a short cut. After reporting to SOSFakeFlash, contact your credit card company and ask them to do a reversal for fraud. Credit cards are more concerned about your welfare then eBay ever will be. You are more likely to get your refund. It is not something eBay will like and you can be assured that eBay will reclaim their loss by removing the sale from the seller via PayPal. After 3 years of operation and experience we can tell you, the secret to getting your money back is to disregard any eBay claim windows or time limits. People who are persistent succeed.
- Do not leave positive feedback in exhange for a refund. You only make the problem worse. Under no circumstances should you fall for blackmail – revise your feedback to optain a refund. Sellers will try to do this to you. It is up to you to decide if you are a mouse or if you are someone who will not tolerate fraud. The revision of feedack is probably why you bought from the seller in the first place! Read: eBay Victims do not leave positive Feedback or change FB to positive to get refunds! Any seller who tries to make you do this is in violation of eBay rules. You can report them! Send all emails to eBay as your proof – demand your refund and do not accept excuses or email robots.
Any company who had been involved directly or indirectly with a transaction involving fake flash memory items is liable andresponsible. There are no “buts” or “maybe”s. Do not belive any seller ploy of “defective or faulty”, this is the oldest scam in selling fake flash memory! If you fall for it, you allow more victims for your seller.
It is important you become a registered victim of the eBay flash memory fraud:
- Reminder eBay see: EBay Ordered to Pay $61 Million in Sale of Counterfeit Goods
- Reminder PayPal: Steele Settlement Website
If you have confirmed that you have a fake (purchased from eBay) and you wanted it entered into the database as evidence so we can post an alert or update counts against a seller we will need the following information from you:
- eBay item number
- eBay Seller id
- Your eBay Buyer id (d0n’t forget this please)
- Your output from H2testw 1.4 or F3 by Michel Machado For Linux
- eBay item description title
- Seller address complete if you have it (mailing envelopes, eBay, PayPal). Important to build profile and track multiple id’s
- Seller email address
- A short word of you experience and or thoughts if you like (optional)
Reminder, your eBay Buyer id is NOT published on the internet when you report in to us. eBay fake flash memory seller ids are published on the internet to warn other buyers. Keeping your identity confidential is important. It allows us to fight fraudulent sellers aggressively.
If your seller used private auction listings to hide the listing, or a multiple item buy now listing please send a screen capture of the listing to help us cut down on the investigation time.
To capture your buy now listing is very important if the seller is not on file with us (eBay Fake Memory Seller Lists) , if the seller is suspended you will lose your evidence and so could we.
Send this information directly to sosfakeflashdrive@gmail.com
We will not enter information into the database from a public site without 1-4.
After reporting in to us, please visit the updated Fight Back Page! See how you can make a difference. A lot of people find it very rewarding – even “therapeutic”. Yes, sometimes one needs a little therapy from the fake flash memory experience. A lot of people feel helpless against eBay and powersellers, nothing is further from the truth. This site is the result of people who helped out, they knew you would be coming here someday….
If you are reporting several sellers (it happens) please keep the 1-8 pattern. Easy to understand, the more you save us time the faster we can investigate and enter.
If you do not provide us with the minimun 1-4 we will not investigate nor respond to you. If you are a genuine buyer it is easy for you to provide the information.
There is no time limit in reporting a seller, you can find a lot of information inside of your paypal account for proof. We have had cases as old as 18 months from purchase being reported. It is why recording in a database is so important.
SOSFakeFlash is very strict about collecting information, data can be support, has witnesses to the fake flash memory deed. The alerts and posts we publish – are based on evidence. Not one post has ever been removed since 2008, despite threats or posturing, can you guess why?
The data we collect is used to build the list of fake flash memory sellers on eBay. It is also used to issue summary reports on the problem. Data from victims helped us to produce this report: Global Report – eBay Fake Memory 2008 – 2009 , a two year effort. If anyone wants to dispute with us, we can send them an angry mob of fake flash victims. So if you would like to have your item(s) recorded for the record please send us the information above to: sosfakeflashdrive@gmail.com
It is important to report even if the seller is already on the list or an alert is issued.
It increases the counts and evidence against the seller and for the degree of fraud on eBay too. . We publish the sellers and the current counts in our eBay fake flash sellers list. We also produce statistics and reports from the information you send.
In your feedback please put the calling card of “SOSFakeFlash” + “H2testw“. It helps people to find us and get help. It unnerves fraudulent sellers as it means their days are now numbered. If you left positive feedback, do a follow up to your original feedback – to let everyone know what you discovered. You would be suprised just how much this can help. If you have a little time, contact at least 5 other buyers from your fake flash seller to warn them to test. It’s a chain reaction, it helps others, reduces victims and soon brings these fraudulent sellers to the attention of both PayPal and eBay.
Robert Smith said
item number: 170481880628
seller id: Jackleestore2010
buyer id: rob112490
output:
The media is likely to be defective.
1.8 GByte OK (3930752 sectors)
13.6 GByte DATA LOST (28638592 sectors)
Details:13.6 GByte overwritten (28638592 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
0 KByte corrupted (0 sectors)
8 KByte aliased memory (16 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x0000000077f50000
Expected: 0x0000000077f50000
Found: 0x0000000077f4e000
H2testw version 1.3
Reading speed: 11.0 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
Description Title: Black 16GB MP3 MP4 player 4 gen ipod killer US Seller
Email address: i'm not sure, i can only contact him through ebay as far as I'm aware
Robert Smith said
I checked ebay for the seller and he’s no where to be found. however if you search “ipod killer” you will find many under different “lee” names such as “alanleestore2010” “skyleestore2010” and so on and so fourth. these are all fake products. hope this helps
Paul Hislop said
item number:320522725024 & item number: 220595315589
seller id: egotechbase
buyer id: hotbuyscooldeals
output:
Error reading file ‘F:\11.h2w’, offset 0x2c200000.
(The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error. Code 1117)
The media is likely to be defective.
3.6 GByte OK (7737984 sectors)
6.9 GByte DATA LOST (14679424 sectors)
Details:6.9 GByte overwritten (14678160 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
632 KByte corrupted (1264 sectors)
32 MByte aliased memory (65536 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x00000000c28e4000
Expected: 0x00000000c28e4000
Found: 0x00000000c28e0000
H2testw version 1.3
Reading speed: 2.28 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
Description Title: New 32GB SDHC Flash Memory Card 32G SD Secure Digital
Email address: Chung Lige [etbase@gmail.com]
Sellers name: Name: LiGe Zhong
Telephone: 13509628017
Address supplied to return item for credit:
Qiu Huizhen(邱惠珍)
27C XIAOFENGGE YUNFENGHUAYUAN
YOUYILU LUOHUQU
SHENZHEN GUANGDONGSHENG CHINA
518000
Comment: This seller wants me to return items for credit buy I fear I will not only lose my money but also evidence of this fraudulent seller. Do you think I should post return to seller?
Paul
KittyFireFlash said
Hi Paul,
Return to Qiu Huizhen? It depends how badly you need your money back. The item will be sold to another eBay member. You may or may not get your refund. You might pay close to your bid price to send it back.
Qiu Huizhen shows up in two counterfeit rings:
Chen Haijian:
greatwallseller
okstore77
bid2buying
fleabase
getwowprice
showwhat
xoldskool
xprodeal
Qiu Huizhen:
digitsonic
egotechbase
bid2buying
The fraud against eBay members is not in the thousands of $ over time, but in the millions.
egotechbase is a nasty piece of work and like many of these ids uses private auction listings. eBay does absolutely nothing about them despite the fact they are a violation of their policies for private auctions.
Ultimately the decision is yours Paul. The only way to remove the egotechbase id is to fight back. Please send your information with the https://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/report-a-fake/ tab, so we can register you.
Powerseller id’s can be broken. However it requires effort. I suspect a fake flash angel knocked on your door.
We desperately need more people to sign up for this activity. One of the reasons is that eBay limits a member id to only 5 messages a day. To deal with a seller like egotechbase a lot of people are needed otherwise you can expect the id to just keep on frauding. And we will just get more people coming to this site in desperation. It’s how you became a victim Paul. Not enough people fighting the egotechbase id.
For the sellers listed in the counterfeit rings, a lot of them have been suspended. But only when victims organize to fight back…..
You didn’t expect to end up here Paul, but you have. You join hundreds of thousand of eBay members who have been frauded for fake flash memory purchases on eBay.
We’ve reached over 700,000 hits at SOSFakeFlash – it speaks for itself. The magnitude of the fraud.
Every person has a choice to make. Accept the fraud or fight back. This includes against the seller and also eBay. Under no circumstances should anyone accept a 45 day window to claim.
When feedback and follow up feedback is examined, there is a list of complaints of victims not getting refunds when the item is returned.
In many cases the address is fake. In others members did not get a tracking number, using the cheapest post. We do know that items returned have been recycled – sold to the next bidder.
Do you want your item sent to another eBay member who will end up in your shoes, Paul?
Chuckie said
Hello, Paul. If you would like to help us fight Egotechbase, please, respond to the warning message I sent you via eBay (yes, that was me :-]). The message should still be in your eBay “Inbox” folder, unless you deleted it. We work as a small team, and we would appreciate any help.
If you haven’t received the message (and you found out the truth on your own), please, report it here — it would mean eBay is intercepting our comms (in which case we’d have to adapt somehow).
So far, we haven’t had many reports about the success rate of returning the items to this seller for a refund. However, some of the buyers we warned have already reported they had received used goods — so that’s what probably happens to most of the returns. In any case, good luck with your case.
Stupid Me.. said
Below is also Fake flash seller.
I order 3 of 32 gb and 1 of 64gb from seller below.
Gave them positive feedback and after I found this website I run H2testw on them..
Guess What… They are all 2gb flash…
By the way, I order all same day and got it same day.. Same packing.
I guess they are all part of same frud.
Just reported to ebay but not sure how it will work out…
Thank you for the heads up and information. Stupid me….. $120 is gone in the Air… btw I am still waiting for 16gb microSD and it worries me…
japan.best768 ( Feedback Score Of 22) 95.8% Positive feedback 64gb
luckybidded ( Feedback Score Of 3315) 99.1% Positive feedback 32gb
egotechbase ( Feedback Score Of 7279) 98.9% Positive feedback 32gb
sale-corner ( Feedback Score Of 6908) 99.4% Positive feedback 32gb
People like me gave them 99.4% rating.. I am so sorry…
red said
‘Stupid Me’,
This is interesting. Are you saying that all 4 came in the same pkg? Or, you received 4 separate identical packages?
Is there a return address on the pkg? Are they all the same?
If you haven’t done so yet, please send the following information (for each) to: sosfakeflashdrive@gmail.com
1. eBay item number
2. eBay Seller id
3. Your eBay Buyer id (d0n’t forget this please)
4. Your output from H2testw 1.4
5. eBay item description title
6. Seller address complete if you have it (mailing envelopes, eBay, PayPal). Important to build profile and track multiple id’s Seller email address A short word of you experience and or thoughts if you like (optional)
Be persistent in your communications. Don’t give up. Don’t return the items. Many of us have received full refunds by not giving up.
You can leave follow-up to your positive feedback to warn other buyers. Mention h2testw and SOSFakeFlash so others know where to look for help.
Mick said
Item Number 220598713755
Seller ID egotechbase
My eBay ID Biteable
Output The media is likely to be defective.
3.8 GByte OK (8096456 sectors)
27.3 GByte DATA LOST (57406776 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
27.3 GByte corrupted (57406776 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x00000000f7159000
Expected: 0x00000000f7159000
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 11.9 MByte/s
Reading speed: 10.5 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
eBay Item New 32GB USB 2.0 Flash Memory Drive Thumb Stick 32G A
Sellers Address Qiu Huizhen(邱惠珍)
27C XIAOFENGGE YUNFENGHUAYUAN
YOUYILU LUOHUQU
SHENZHEN GUANGDONGSHENG CHINA
518000
Telephone 13509628017
Sellers e.mail etbase@gmail.com
stuart said
item number: 200466565160
seller id: base-trade
my ebay id : thefriend!
output:
The media is likely to be defective.
1.9 GByte OK (4035488 sectors)
29.3 GByte DATA LOST (61465696 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
29.3 GByte corrupted (61465696 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000007b274000
Expected: 0x000000007b274000
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Reading speed: 9.72 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
Bernhard said
ebay item no. 160434382823
seller id: tutuucake878
my ebay id: thaidiver1
description: 32GB SD SDHC Flash Memory Neu SD Card Secure Digital
seller: Johnny Du
305 Anchorvale Link #02-211
540305 Singapore
email: tutucake878@gmail.com
output:
Der Datenträger ist wahrscheinlich defekt.
3,6 GByte OK (7575488 Sektoren)
27,3 GByte DATEN VERLOREN (57444416 Sektoren)
Details:
27,3 GByte überschrieben (57444416 Sektoren)
0 KByte leicht verfälscht (< 8 Bit/Sektor, 0 Sektoren)
0 KByte mit Datenmüll (0 Sektoren)
32 MByte mehrfach genutzt (65536 Sektoren)
Erster Fehler bei Offset: 0x00000000e52f8000
Soll: 0x00000000e52f8000
Ist: 0x00000007bf2f8000
H2testw Version 1.3
Schreibrate: 3,46 MByte/s
Leserate: 7,15 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
Andy Dinnie said
I bought a fake MicroSDHC card from the seller “miyang2009” it was listed as a 32GB card however as other buyers found out it ended up being a hacked 2GB card that appeared to be a 32GB card inside Windows.
Seller ID – miyang2009 (http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=miyang2009&ftab=AllFeedback)
EBay Item No. – 160431343243 (funnily enough I can no longer access the item)
My EBay ID – andydinnie
Item Description – 100% NEW 32GB 32G microSD micro SD SDHC
Seller Address – Possible Addresses in letter or images
I used H2testw however it couldn’t get past 4.2GB of bad data on two different computers. The device would just reset
Error reading file ‘G:\5.h2w’, offset 0xec00000.
(The device is not ready. Code 21)
Warning: Only 31983 of 31984 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
0 KByte OK (0 sectors)
4.2 GByte DATA LOST (8871936 sectors)
Details:4.2 GByte overwritten (8871936 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
0 KByte corrupted (0 sectors)
16 MByte aliased memory (32768 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x0000000000000000
Expected: 0x0000000000000000
Found: 0x00000007ce8fc000
H2testw version 1.3
Reading speed: 6.99 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
I made a claim on PayPal but now they want me to send the item back. I fear that if I send the item back I will lose my chance of getting a refund but If I don't send it my case will get closed. Could someone please help me on this issue as it is very confusing :S
Below is the letter I received from PayPal and I will also include links to some images I have taken of the fraudulent product.
Status of PayPal case no PP-000-967-813-111
From: service@paypal.com.au
Sent: Sunday, 23 May 2010 9:28:19 PM
To: (Im not giving my email out to the public for obvious reasons)
Hello Andrew Dinnie,
We're investigating the following claim:
Seller's Name:
Seller's Email: ymygmjn@yahoo.com.cn
Seller's Transaction ID: 9C167785SC395132G
Transaction Date: 7 May 2010
Transaction Amount: -$30.50 AUD
Your Transaction ID: 4FP511800X644013R
Case Number: PP-000-967-813-111
Buyer's Transaction ID: 4FP511800X644013R
We have determined that you are eligible for a return of your funds for
this PayPal transaction.
However, in order for us to return those funds, you must:
– send back the purchased item (within ten calendar days of receiving this
email) to the seller at your expense; and
– the purchased item must be received by the seller in the same condition
as you received it.
The amount you are eligible for is based on the terms of PayPal's Buyer
Protection Policy. We may not be able to repay the full amount of your
transaction in certain circumstances where the amount of your transaction
exceeds the maximum amount covered under the Buyer Protection Policy.
Please review the Buyer Protection Policy in our User Agreement before
sending the item back to the seller.
You are responsible for the postage and packing costs of returning the
purchased item to the seller and these are not covered by PayPal's Buyer
Protection.
Next steps:
Step 1 –
Return the item to the seller, at the following address:
chaoyangqu shilihe2dui500-6
beijing
Beijing Municipality, 100021
China
PayPal requires you to use an approved postal or delivery service that
provides online proof of posting or delivery. Acceptable forms of proof of
posting or delivery include:- A copy of the postage receipt that includes
the buyer's delivery address. You can get this from Australia Post's
Registered Post and Australia Post's Registered Post International, or
– A postage code that PayPal can use online to view the postal status and
the buyer's delivery address. You can get this from TNT, DHL, FedEx and
other carriers, or
– A receipt issued by the carrier that is signed by the recipient
acknowledging delivery.
This documentation you provide must also include:1. The date the item was
sent.
2. An official acceptance by the carrier, such as a postmark or online
status. A status that shows the item was delivered is also acceptable.
Step 2 –
Once you have returned the item, please log in to your PayPal account
within ten calendar days of receiving this email and provide proof of
posting that can be confirmed online by PayPal.
If we do not receive this information within ten calendar days, your claim
will be closed and cannot be reopened.
Once we confirm that the item has been sent to the seller, we will return
the disputed funds to your account.
Step 3 –
After we confirm that the item has been shipped to the seller, we'll
provide a refund based on our Buyer Protection programmess.
If you wish to work directly with the seller to resolve this issue, you can
cancel this claim at any time, however you will not be able to reopen this
claim
You can review the details of this claim at:
https://www.paypal.com/au/cgi-bin/?cmd=_complaint-view-details&cid=PP-000-967-813-111
Thank you for your cooperation.
Yours sincerely,
Protection Services Department
PayPal
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Bernhard said
I informed ebay concerning the seller
tutuucake878 from Singapore (my post dated May, 22, 2010)
I sent information for every item he sells on ebay – no reaction only automatic reply by ebay.
He is sellng and selling…. every day appr. 5 faked SD Cards specially to Germany.
Yesterday I informed Singapore Police Department – POLICE REPORT A/20100523/2105
red said
Andy Devine,
1) Can you email your report to sosfakeflashdrive@gmail.com.
1. eBay item number
2. eBay Seller id
3. Your eBay Buyer id (d0n’t forget this please)
4. Your output from H2testw 1.4
5. eBay item description title
6. Seller address complete if you have it (mailing envelopes, eBay, PayPal). Important to build profile and track multiple id’s
7. Seller email address
8. A short word of you experience and or thoughts if you like (optional)
2) There are several approaches to the ‘return the item’ email.
You are correct. You don’t want to return the item for a number of reasons:
– the loss of the evidence,
– can’t trust the return address provided. There have been many documented cases of ‘fake’ addresses.
– the cost of return shipping with a tracking number
– the seller could resell the item
a. In several countries it is illegal to mail fraudulent or counterfeit items. Check your postal regulations. If this applies in your country, contact paypal, ideally by phone and tell them so.
b. Section 13.4 of the Paypal User Agreement states:
“In the event a seller loses a Claim, the seller will not receive a refund on his or her PayPal or eBay fees associated with the transaction. If you lose a Significantly Not as Described Claim because the item you sold is counterfeit, you will be required to provide a full refund to the buyer and you will not receive the item back (it will be destroyed).”
The definition of counterfeit is:
“made in imitation so as to be passed off fraudulently or deceptively as genuine; not genuine;”
Again, contact paypal by phone and remind them of their policy.
3) Don’t give up!
Dylan Hall said
I have been bitten by a fake flash drive (see below)
my successful bidder email
*************************************************************************************
Hi dydydy09,
You are the winning buyer for the item below. Thank you for your business!
Item title: 128GB USB Leather Memory Stick Flash Pen Thumb Drive
Web address: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140408037106
Item number: 140408037106
Buyer User ID: dydydy09
Seller User ID: nice.soya.bean
Your total is:
AU $46.00 per item
AU $4.00 insurance (optional)
AU $0.00 Sales discounts (-) or charges (+)
AU $0.00 shipping/handling
—–
AU $46.00 = Total
Please send me your shipping address and payment. The following payment methods
are accepted: PayPal.
If you want to mail your payment, please send it and include a copy of this
page to:
Leo Kwok
845 Tampines Street 82 #09-469
default, default 520845
Thank you again for your purchase.
*************************************************************************************
First warning I had was ebay telling me nice.soya.bean had been removed for undisclosed reasons
I cracked open stick identified 8GB memory
found good way of linking many of these sellers to each other (the ones from singapore anyway) been looking at initial feedback in singapore dollars SGD and cross referencing seller ids and see the ones that have been shut down and the ones that are still active
the following were used to prime nice.soya.bean
(and if you follow those they lead to more and more ids, ones that have been shut down and the ones that are still active)
Member idmaggieme33
Member idsurvived.the.ordeal
Member idmeng.meng177
Member idlopp0l
Member idsuper.value2009
Member idgoodbargain.2010
Member idbabyrockuu
Member idwatery_store
Member idhamster_cage
Member idsammzshops
Member idmemory.angel233
Member idblack.flash213
Member idphoto.frame
Member idhi20cards
Member idjapan.sellers
Member idhp.accessories.888
Member idcharming.p2012
Member idmemory.world.999
Member idsg.break.dance
Member ida.good.seller
Member idvlex-2009
Member idblack.carrot43
Member idbattery.488
I could keep going on and on with pages of ids, I followed the trail for hours.
EBAY should be able to stop the singapore ones at least they are everywhere
(identical photos and descriptions doesn’t take a genius to work out they are linked)
I feel sorry for one of my fellow Australians who i saw spend over $100 on one of these fakes, I am now waiting for paypal to do there stuff in the meantime am using stick as 8GB temporary storage for media player (thanks to tools found on google)
Dylan Hall said
after doing search for 128gb usb
Active auctions NOW
first listed twice
brand new id no feedback from victims yet
bluebid_100
second listed
already has positive feedback from unsuspecting victims
accwu_212
both meet my model of familiar ids used to prime accounts and like I said before can see other ids both active and inactive
and of course ebays privacy policy omits bidders names (so can’t warm them) its a pity cant use guerilla tactics create throw away id and bid $1 million (but no that would be wrong for us to defend the unsuspecting victims)
I would not condone fake ids or bids and I definitely would not condone fake flash drives
nic said
I got burned twice until someone told me to verify the capacity.
First by
Member dannys66store on Feb 28, 2010. This one is no longer registered with either ebay nor paypal.
Second by
Member yonglu2009 on April 04, 2010. I also left positive feedback for this one (which I will amend)
this one does not have any listed at this time, but I will file a claim and keep an eye on him in case he tries to sell more crap like this.
Spookie said
The following sellers are sending positive feedback to each other:
007nothingss lelongsales.2010
4.everluv.4 lets.rock.now
44-busystore lets.rock.now14
77_memorysky lil.fairy.store
88dogsloverss long.island999
99.powerflash lookn0more
a.good.seller lopp0l
a4techpro2010 love-the-spree
aaaservice_2010 low-price-20009
accwu_212 m1singtelsg2010
agoodman-121 macd-232
ah-kongkia madly.in.love49
alex.toh.store maggieme33
aliba.801 magic.works13
andywang.shopz manchubaby
babyrockuu meesiam.123
badr0mance memory.angel233
base.here memory.king2010
battery.488 memory-kxy
battery.guy12 memoryshopp2010
battery.shop71 meng.meng177
bbaby-king merryme*121
bbaby-king miko-puca
bbidd-yy monkeygods2010
bc0s.ur.special mousepad8080
beancurb-88 mr.flashmanz
bed.sheeet121 mrgoodguyyzzz
best.flash mshub2pp
best.flash100 mushi-masteress
bestzbuyz2010 nanashow.2010
bidme.now11 nel.mrt.sg
big.thumb.drives55 new.age.geekress
black.carrot43 nice.soya.bean
black.flash213 nolousygoods2009
black.jacket noodles.8822
black.jacket november.rain
blue.sky4511 old_loa11
bluebid_100 oo.ine
boxeduphere.76 pandaflash-x
charming.p2012 penny-shop-2012
checkpoint.23 pewpewpewa1
chromeg.2 photo.frame
clearancestore-80 pigleg_21
clickmee45s pingfendell
ctrl_alt_del7880 pizzahut.932
dance.043 pizzahut.932
digitzal.worzks23 plain.simplicity
duckman.888 pokka.dots
duper.days0 prawn.mee
factory_price09 priceless.shop
fasst.shippping raindaysss1
favorflash2010 red.capital32
fireworkzz2010 remote.f1
flaming.desire rnb4everzz
flash.cafe888 season.out
flash-flash32 secret.key2012
flashprince.2009 sg.break.dance
flashstore.2010 sgf1.race
flashstore.710 sghotsellers2010
flash-store392 shumi–the
from.japann smshub2pp
funclubbing.09 snow*girl900
gforcepowerfulz snowman_688
gift.4u soootong
goodbargain.2010 splendid_items_for_u
goodbargain.2010 sshootdealss
goodman-199 start.zpage
grassjelly.gd stayhere_2012
hamster_cage super.value2009
haoren-770 superbid*100
happy.eb4yer superflash*888
heartedwind survived.the.ordeal
heavenly.flash thelastone77z
helio.flaskk tispaperxx
hi20cards tohtoh.shop
high_quality030 top*seller232
honey-coated-gifts treebee-99
hot.dog228 tutuucake878
hotlink-880 u1u3.u3u8
hp.accessories.888 u8u9.u5u1
hp.accessories.888 ubiroad.24
hp.shops18 under-world234
i-heart-jp usddollarstore2010
iloveit.805 verygoodzdealz
imagine-the-goodness vleoshops
inter.flash111 vlex-2009
ironmann746 watery_store
its-dirt-cheap we.care.for.u
japan.best.flash we.welcome.u
japan.best768 webc.guy
japan.quality winnerzzz2010
japan_goods woheng-haoo
jazzzbartop wonderdealsss
jingleinbeat wwee.1745
johnny.quek12 x9x8.x2x3
k1k6.k3k2 yahsmss
kangaroo.aisle2009 yeh.yah93
kindsellers2009 yellow-cab23
kkee20100 zflashz.2009
grump3 said
Received the following information in response to my warning:
Seller: 2010.xiaoju
item: 32GB USB 2.0 flash drive
Item number: 250634888543
Item location: Shenzhen, China
Ended 19 May, 201009:26:46 AEST
Buyer: carmel5211
Price: AU $22.50
Response from buyer:
Thanks — checked with H2testwtool with
the following result.
Warning: Only 31380 of 31980 MByte
tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
3.0 GByte OK (6488064 sectors)
27.5 GByte DATA LOST (57778176 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0
sectors)
27.5 GByte corrupted (57778176 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x00000000ab854000
Expected: 0x00000000ab854000
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 14.3 MByte/s
Regards
Carmel
Johnny said
1. eBay item number
170478097104
2. eBay Seller id
housedigit
3. Your eBay Buyer id
johnnysouza
4. Your output from H2testw 1.4
The media is likely to be defective.
1.9 GByte OK (4025984 sectors)
29.3 GByte DATA LOST (61477248 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
29.3 GByte corrupted (61477248 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000007add0000
Expected: 0x000000007add0000
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Reading speed: 8.19 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
5. eBay item description title:
New 32GB Flash Memory USB 2.0 Thumb Stick Drive 32G 1
6. Seller address complete if you have it
Paypal ID: housedigit
7. Seller email address
email: HouseDigi@gmail.com
8. A short word of you experience and or thoughts if you like (optional)
Age said
Here is my unfortanate story:
item number:270579702804
seller id: luckybidded
item location: hong kong
buyer: bargains_aplenty
purchase date: 17/05/2010
item title: New 32GB USB 2.0 Flash Memory Drive Thumb Stick 32G W
(looks like the white leather covered ones with the belt buckle type opening thing.)
cost: $25AU (including delivery)
I ran the H2testW software and the results were:
The media is likely to be defective.
1.9 GByte OK (4035200 sectors)
29.3 GByte DATA LOST (61468032 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
29.3 GByte corrupted (61468032 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000007b250000
Expected: 0x000000007b250000
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 17.4 MByte/s
Reading speed: 13.8 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
Only 1.9GB of useable!! i didnt contact the seller directly and made a paypal disupte as item not as decribed and imitaion. In the message i pasted the results of the test and demanded a refund.
The seller has written back telling me to post the item back to HK for replacement or refund. After reading some stories on here, i am not keen to do that as they can still snake there way around paypal and come out unscathed.
What should i do now? How should i respond to the seller to make him give me refund first before posting?
Any help appreciated, thanx.
red said
Age,
You are correct. Sending it back is not a good idea for many reasons.
In your communications be persistent. This is NOT a defective item, but something that was intentionally altered to deceive. You can tell them if they want the item back, they will have to pay return shipping in advance.
Section 13.4 of the Paypal User Agreement states:
In the event a seller loses a Claim, the seller will not receive a refund on his or her PayPal or eBay fees associated with the transaction. If you lose a Significantly Not as Described Claim because the item you sold is counterfeit, you will be required to provide a full refund to the buyer and you will not receive the item back (it will be destroyed).
Age said
Thanks Red!
i will keep persisting and make sure i get the result. I will also leave a neg for him, warning people and mentioning SOSfakeflash and H2testW.
Cheers.
Age said
Just to update, He has gotten back to me saying he will cover the postage fee back..though he asked price for cheapest postage.
Now i thought paypal will only refund if it is sent back with tracking? The cheapest postage to HK is air mail for $3(no confirmation or tracking)
but the only one with proper tracking is $37 (item only cost $25)
If i send airmail is there a chance he will say he never recieved it and not refund me?
Or should i say: paypal requires me to send back the item with tracking, the cheapest mail with tracking costs $37 so you might as well refund me and not ask for the item back. as it will be much cheaper for you.
Anyone had similar problem?
red said
Age,
You are correct. Insist for a shipping method with tracking number, which they most likely will not agree to. This is critical. If you send without, there is no proof that they received it and they can deny receiving it (another one of their tricks). Also, the address that they provide may not be a legitimate address (another one of their tricks), so for sure they will never receive it. There are documented cases on here, where the item was shipped back to the seller provided address and was eventually returned to the buyer as undeliverable.
Dylan Hall said
Good news got my money back, not told to return or destroy device, and the new Singapore ids have few victims, and as often as I can am warning new victims and referring them here, using my daily 5 emails, also been warning some unsuspecting resellers who on my say so have removed their listings one such seller id “benwool1”, feeling good been getting appreciative emails from new victims
Found my Mum was a victim from E-bay as well and my Sister from a Melbourne computer market at Box hill, 8 that’s a 4, 8 that’s a 2 and 8 that’s a 1
Kevin said
We are testing one product now since we have found this site, we have another expected to be recieved soon and just won a bid on another. I wish we would have found this site first. 2 of the items are from a seller on your list “Best-Phone_sell.” Looked up the seller and checked out the feedback 99.8% positive. However when we looked closer we found many user ids being used to leave pages of positive feedback, all with the same date:hour:minute:second. It seems that they may be using a program to leave feedback. Cross checked the user ids and most had the same kind of multiple feedback.
We are contacting ebay today to see what we can do about the bid we just one since we know that it is conterfeit.
German said
I recommend all of you only buy from registered sellers. On the other hand when you received the item NOT open a case for item not was described, open a case for NOT RECIEVED item. It is the only way that you will refound all your money. Then you give a NEGATIVE feedback to the seller. This is the way that I have all my money.
Chris Visser said
Reporting another fake
Kingston DT310 – 256 GB flash drive
Ordered 25-5-2010 – received 10-6-2010
Seller: ludi315
EMail: xiumei315@hotmail.com
Paid AUD 28.99
Had no high expectation of being the full 256 GB for that price.
Was warned by PPAL of the item having been cancelled for sale on EBAY 26-5-2010
Error: Windows does detect the flash-drive but cannot access,
Inserting the drive the first time a password is to be set etc, but of course the supposed to be ROM data does not exist on the drive to do this.
Having taken the drive apart, it reveals a short PCB board with just enough componetry to power up the LED when inserted.
Age said
Update:
Seller didn’t want to compensate the excessive cost for tracking so he said he would give me a refund and still asked me to send the item back by cheapest way after he refunded me! I didn’t agree to send it back but told him to process the refund first. After 3 days later he finally said the refund was sent to me.. yet i never recieved any notifications from paypal at all. He said it would take 2-3 working days to go through.
I feel he is now just trying to buy time untill no one can do anything. After talking to ebay on live help (nightmare to talk to anyone real at paypal)they wern’t helpful at all! They just said It’s between you and the seller if your postage cost gets refunded, even though i was saying it was a crime to send counterfiet items and against the law etc…
They didn’t want to hear it and just read off of script cards.. Pathetic.
Well i’ll let you know how it goes when i get the next response.
Thanks for all the help so far.
grump333 said
Re:
German said
“On the other hand when you received the item NOT open a case for item not was described, open a case for NOT RECIEVED item.”
This would only apply to the few that discover theirs is a fake prior to leaving feedback & will not assist other buyers UNLESS that feedback then states:
“Did not send advertised device. Sent 4GB fake instead!”
Thus validating an “Item Not Received” claim IMO.
adam said
Bought from Egotechbase on eBay,
My ebay user ID
burgandjennie
Item number 320524405574
Item 32gb flash drive,
Only 3.8GB
Here’s my result from H2testw
Warning: Only 31983 of 31984 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
3.8 GByte OK (8091648 sectors)
27.3 GByte DATA LOST (57409536 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
27.3 GByte corrupted (57409536 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x0000000037000000
Expected: 0x0000000037000000
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Reading speed: 9.75 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
Paypal dispute opened,
I knew this was faulty from when I first used it,
Cut and pasted around 5gb files on to the flash drive and it lost the lot,
Emailed seller Egotechbase and had no response,
Decided to google the user name as he'd been banned from eBay and ended up here,
We need to stop sellers like this,
Joe said
Hello. I am a victim of fake USB flash sticks and MP with fake flash. I have filed many disputes and claims against those sellers, and have won most of the claims. However, recently Paypal has been sending me email messages stating that if I wanted to qualify for any full or partial refund for many items, then I am required by Paypal policy to return the counterfeit items to the sellers. Paypal stated that it is the buyers responsibility to pay for registered return shipping charges which provide tracking numbers. When questioned on the phone regarding this policy, they stated that it doesnt matter if the seller had committed a federal crime, the item must be returned to them if I wanted any refund. This requirement is new, as I have successfully recovered my money from many claims. I always provide H2testw data as my evidence. Today I received an email from Paypal that the H2testw data is not recognised as genuine evidence, and should I choose to continue with one of the claims I am required by Paypal to submit evidence provided by a certified source such as a law enforcement official. I have also noticed that many of the fraudulent sellers are still registered on eBay.
I spoke with Paypal on the phone. In regards to the policy to return fake/counterfeit items to the seller, Paypal stated it is not Paypals responsibility to police eBay site nor their concern on what the seller does with the fake/hacked memory devices. They went as far as stating that if the seller chose to resell the item on eBay or another site, Paypal has no involvement in preventing it.
Paypal has also stated that it is solely the buyers responsibility to chose to report the sellers to federal authorities, not Paypals.
I am currently gathering my evidence against these sellers as well as Paypals email messages regarding these claims. Hopefully I have enough evidence on my own to press charges on both the seller and eBay and Paypal for their involvement in allowing and contributing to these federal crimes.
I hope that the evidence submitted to this site can be used by federal authorities in bringing charges to those responsible for these crimes. Please continue to submit your H2testw results, and maintain record of all Paypal and eBay emails which can be used to prove their involvement in these crimes.
Another thing that we as victims of these crimes should do, whether successful in our claims or not, is to contact your local and state/provincial Better Business Bureau. File greivances against both eBay and Paypal for their lack of involvement in prosecuting the fraudulent sellers, and for giving us the buyers such difficulties in processing our claims when valid, certified evidence has been provided. By filing these complaints with the BBB, for every fake flash device purchased (which probably number in the hundreds of thousands or millions), then eBay and Paypal will quickly receive massively negative ratings. This thereby causes eBay and Paypal to lose investors by the thousands. This is how to ensure that proper changes are adopted by eBay and Paypal, therefore hopefully reducing the number of fraud cases.
Right now both eBay and Paypal dont care about our claims of fraud. Call them and you will see for yourself. They would rather us victims did not pursue a claim, and have placed policies in place to discourage us victims from pursuing claims (you the buyer must pay for registered return shipping to qualify for refunds). They only care about getting paid, to make their profit, and they wont make a profit if we keep filing claims.
Hopefully things will change and soon.
Joe said
Hello. I am a victim of fake USB flash sticks and MP with fake flash. I have filed many disputes and claims against those sellers, and have won most of the claims. However, recently Paypal has been sending me email messages stating that if I wanted to qualify for any full or partial refund for many items, then I am required by Paypal policy to return the counterfeit items to the sellers. Paypal stated that it is the buyers responsibility to pay for registered return shipping charges which provide tracking numbers. When questioned on the phone regarding this policy, they stated that it doesnt matter if the seller had committed a federal crime, the item must be returned to them if I wanted any refund. This requirement is new, as I have successfully recovered my money from many claims. I always provide H2testw data as my evidence. Today I received an email from Paypal that the H2testw data is not recognised as genuine evidence, and should I choose to continue with one of the claims I am required by Paypal to submit evidence provided by a certified source such as a law enforcement official. I have also noticed that many of the fraudulent sellers are still registered on eBay.
I spoke with Paypal on the phone. In regards to the policy to return fake/counterfeit items to the seller, Paypal stated it is not Paypals responsibility to police eBay site nor their concern on what the seller does with the fake/hacked memory devices. They went as far as stating that if the seller chose to resell the item on eBay or another site, Paypal has no involvement in preventing it.
Paypal has also stated that it is solely the buyers responsibility to chose to report the sellers to federal authorities, not Paypals.
I am currently gathering my evidence against these sellers as well as Paypals email messages regarding these claims. Hopefully I have enough evidence on my own to press charges on both the seller and eBay and Paypal for their involvement in allowing and contributing to these federal crimes.
I hope that the evidence submitted to this site can be used by federal authorities in bringing charges to those responsible for these crimes. Please continue to submit your H2testw results, and maintain record of all Paypal and eBay emails which can be used to prove their involvement in these crimes.
Another thing that we as victims of these crimes should do, whether successful in our claims or not, is to contact your local and state/provincial Better Business Bureau. File greivances against both eBay and Paypal for their lack of involvement in prosecuting the fraudulent sellers, and for giving us the buyers such difficulties in processing our claims when valid, certified evidence has been provided. By filing these complaints with the BBB, for every fake flash device purchased (which probably number in the hundreds of thousands or millions), then eBay and Paypal will quickly receive massively negative ratings. This thereby causes eBay and Paypal to lose investors by the thousands. This is how to ensure that proper changes are adopted by eBay and Paypal, therefore hopefully reducing the number of fraud cases.
Right now both eBay and Paypal dont care about our claims of fraud. Call them and you will see for yourself. They would rather us victims did not pursue a claim, and have placed policies in place to discourage us victims from pursuing claims (you the buyer must pay for registered return shipping to qualify for refunds). They only care about getting paid, to make their profit, and they wont make a profit if we keep filing claims.
Hopefully things will change and soon.
Joe said
Here is an update regarding my previous post. I sent to Paypal my H2testw results as they requested, but they told me that the results are inadmissible and they wanted certified proof from a public servant (law enforcement, judge, politician, etc.). To Paypal and eBay both, I say this… you have been issued due process… I will be submitting my evidence to federal authorities,… since eBay and Paypal are clearly attempting to discourage claims to be filed in regards to fake flash devices, they are accessories to the crime, are encouraging the crime, and are participating in the crime by allowing their services to be used to launder money (since they are profiting from every sale.) eBay and Paypal have allowed tens to hundreds of millions of dollars in the sale of FAKE and HACKED devices. I am sure when an investigation takes place, they will be found guilty of conspiring to act as a money launderer of criminals, in addition to many other federal charges. Unfortunately for Paypal and eBay, I have many family members that are lawyers, judges, politicians, or journalists or I have friends who are. I will be speaking with my journalist cousin to see if he can go forth with an investigation into our claims. He works for the local news, and knows many people in the industry (since he was a graduate at the top of his class).
eMail from Paypal:
“We are currently in the process of investigating your complaint:
Complaint Details
——————————
Seller’s Name: Lau Kit Wah
Seller’s Email: base.trade@gmail.com
Transaction Date: May 12, 2010
Transaction Amount: -$22.90 USD
Your Transaction ID: 2GX59572WR5827814
Case Number: PP-000-973-280-593
——————————
We received your fax. However, the document provided does not meet our
requirements as it did not include the contact information of the third
party who examined the item.
Please provide valid documentation by June 22, 2010. This time period
cannot be extended further.
The documents should be faxed to PayPal at (402) 537-5760. Please include a
cover sheet with your fax that includes the email address registered on
your PayPal account and the ID number of your claim (PP-000-973-280-593) so
we may attach the document to your claim as quickly as possible.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
Paula
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company”
I never wanted a fight, only to get my money back from the crooks and thieves… but eBay and Paypal have continuously provided obstacles against us/me in the prosecution of these fraudulent sellers and have allowed many of them to continue selling counterfeit goods. Federal laws have been broken, and eBay and Paypal need to be held liable for their part in it all.
Let’s all hope for the best.
grump333 said
Another report:
eBay item number 250633553302
eBay Seller id 2010.xiaoju
Your eBay Buyer id Member idib694u
eBay item description title New 32GB USB 2.0 Flash Memory Drive Thumb Stick 32G U
Seller address Item location:Shenzhen, China
Purchase Date: 17 May, 201003:53:38 AEST
Your output from H2testw 1.4
The media is likely to be defective.
3.6 GByte OK (7615186 sectors)
27.5 GByte DATA LOST (57879854 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
27.5 GByte corrupted (57879854 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x00000000e865a400
Expected: 0x00000000e865a400
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 8.79 MByte/s
Reading speed: 12.3 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
grump333 said
Attn Joe:
I faxed Paypal an invoice signed by a Tech from a PC repair shop detailing my fake device to obtain my refund.
HTH,
G.
KittyFireFlash said
Joe, about your comment:
Perhaps now you know why people keep working on this site and the others. It’s over 8 years now. The fight began in earnest about May 2008. We’ve come a long way but to make eBay’s castle of fake flash memory profit crumble will take a lot more work. They keep getting more sneaky.
The people at PayPal are probably having a lot of bad hair days. They should. Everyone should do their best to make their lives miserable and they have so many frauded buyers over the years.
I personally would love to be a fly on the wall in the board rooms of eBay and PayPal.
1) The switch from PayPal protection to eBay buyer protection, whose idea was it? eBay or PayPals?
2) The new design attempts to block direct escalation and suggest people “dialogue with fraudulent sellers”?
3) The recent pulling of so many fraudulent listings, mostly buy now with lightening speed.
For #3 everyone, it is not eBay trying to clean up fraud. It is to erase the magnitude of the fraud.
Our investigators and documentors are in over drive. The project has no intention of letting the information or truth disappear.
Anything you can do, Joe to help expose this fraud would be much appreciated. This goes for all readers. Do what you can. Make the biggest noise at any internet site that deals with usb flash drives, mp players and memory cards. It’s time to turn up the heat some more.
Never, accept never from either eBay or PayPal. Remember Superman’s fight – 8 months and every single penny back from all the sellers. If he can do it and win, so can YOU!
Age said
Update: Finally received my full refund back without having to send the counterfeit drive back! I will now leave neg feedback with special keywords to warn any future buyers..
BTW I wish you great success with your case Joe, PayPal and Ebay were nightmares to try and deal with! They deserve whats coming to them for allowing this to continue for so long!
Qwerty_Alex said
eBay item number 190384064257
eBay Seller id songxin_80885
Your eBay Buyer id Member Qwerty_Alex1976
eBay item description title *San disk 8GB Micro SD HC MicroSD Memory Card 8 GB TF-
Seller address Item location: China
Purchase Date: Mar 27, 2010
Your output from H2testw 1.4
The media is likely to be defective.
1.9 GByte OK (4050496 sectors)
5.6 GByte DATA LOST (11882944 sectors)
Details:5.6 GByte overwritten (11882944 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
0 KByte corrupted (0 sectors)
2 MByte aliased memory (4096 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000007b7c8000
Expected: 0x000000007b7c8000
Found: 0x00000001e63c8000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 2.32 MByte/s
Reading speed: 9.79 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
Jari Niemi said
eBay item number:
#270589121515
eBay Seller id:
weiliseller2009
Your output from H2testw 1.4:
Warning:
Only 31747 of 31748 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
1.8 GByte OK (3930048 sectors)
29.1 GByte DATA LOST (61087808 sectors)
Details:
29.1 GByte overwritten (61087808 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
0 KByte corrupted (0 sectors)
2 MByte aliased memory (4096 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x0000000077cf8000
Expected: 0x0000000077cf8000
Found: 0x00000007c0278000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 4.10 MByte/s
Reading speed: 7.29 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
eBay item description title:
Brand New 32GB SD SDHC Memory Card Secure Digital Flash
Seller address complete if you have it (mailing envelopes, eBay, PayPal). Important to build profile and track multiple id’s:
Yuanchun Tan Room 2105, Nan Guang Jie Jia mansion No.3037, Shennan Zhong Road Futian District, Shenzhen City, 518000 RPC
AUCA YanChun Tan Room 604B, Po Lung Center Block A, No. 11 Wang Chiu Road, Kowloon Bay, Kowloon, HongKong
Seller email address:
weiliebay2009@gmail.com
=====
This seller insist to send this item back for refund (will change it to an another fake SDHC card):
"Dear friend,We are sincere, items damaged in shipping, you can not say false, you do not return the items, we can not refund, thank you!"
– weiliseller2009
================
"Dear friend,We are sincere, the chip may be damaged in transport, you return the item, we will give you a replacement item received, thank you!
This is my address (Yuanchun Tan Room 2105, Nan Guang Jie Jia mansion No.3037, Shennan Zhong Road Futian District, Shenzhen City, 518000 RPC)"
– weiliseller2009
stuart williams said
I bought a 16gb flash drive
I tested it with h2testw and it was a hacked 8gb
bought from ebay
Item no 260606918162
seller id uk-babyandbaby
States is in the uk but is actually based in china. Return address was on an industrial estate in portsmouth so i take it they have a warehouse there
I have already reported to ebay and will be reporting to trading standards on monday.
Yuri said
1. eBay item number: 170490367850
2. eBay Seller id: cyz198175
3. Your eBay Buyer id: yuracroppy
4. Your output from H2testw 1.4:
Warning:
Only 7610 of 7611 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
1.9 GByte OK (4003776 sectors)
5.5 GByte DATA LOST (11581504 sectors)
Details:5.5 GByte overwritten (11581504 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
0 KByte corrupted (0 sectors)
64 MByte aliased memory (131072 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x0000000000000000
Expected: 0x0000000000000000
Found: 0x00000001d7af8000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 2.84 MByte/s
Reading speed: 1.33 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
5. eBay item description title: S andisk TF 8GB Micro SD HC Memory Card
6. Seller address complete if you have it (mailing envelopes, eBay, PayPal). Important to build profile and track multiple id’s: 陈 裕忠
7. Seller email address: chy99990@163.com
KRI said
Numero del ogetto: 3205333119264
i dati relativi del venditore :
128 128GB USB FLASH DRIVE USB 2.0 PEN STICK MEMORY
$28,99 AUD — $57,98 AUD
ID venditore: huanandyang199900508
Email del venditore:
lisfortune_128@hotmail.com
Indirizzo completo del venditore:
liwan District,longjin Road,A-528-2506
guangzhou
Guangdong Province, 510145
Cina
Paypal e ebay trovano tutte le scuse , tipo se non restituisci l’ogetto non prendi il rimborso ecc…. vi pare giusto che già ci hanno trufati ora dobbiamo pagare per rispedire, cosi lo rimettono online e lo rivendono ancora. E comunque loro non hanno spedito gratuitamente. Ma anche se dovessi rimandare chi mi garantisce che paypal rimborsa i soldi?
Spero metterete anche questi dati qui sul vostro sito! Noi abbiamo comprati 3 pezzi e abbiamo verificato il test di 1,4 H2testw, su 128 GB della Kingston ahahaha , sarà Kingston? Risulta 1,9 GB OK il resto è daneggiato !
Speriamo di non dover mandare altri venditori e che riusciate fare qualcosa contro ebay e contro paypal per la mancanza della tutela dell’acquirente !
Grazie a voi!!!
COMBATTIAMO I FRAUTOLENTI SULL ‘ EBAY ,MA ANCHE IL METODO DI RIMOBORSO E SE NE FREGISMO DI PAYPAL E EBAY !!! TUTELANO SOLO I FALSARI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guy Garritson said
Seller’s ID: NDSPRO – Name: Ran Tao – Seller’s Email: ndsprostore@gmail.com
This ebay seller will do any trick in the book to not give a Refund. Do not open a paypal disput since paypal will say to return the device before a refund will be given.!
Joe said
Purchased 100 USB flash drives from PPG Memory (http://www.ppgmemory.com/) and they were all counterfit drives. The stated capacity was 2gb, but they only hold between 120-180mb. I have not been able to flash them back to their original size to make them at least partially useable despite trying many tools.
Controller Chip: FC8508
Memory Chip: FBNM29BNAK3WG
CHIPGENIUS RESULTS:
——————-
Device Name: +[E:]+USB Input Device(Generic Flash Disk USB Device)
PnP Device ID: VID = 046D PID = C317
Serial Number: 6&&80446D0&&0&&0001
Revision: 8.00
Device Type: Standard USB device – USB2.0 High-Speed
Chip Vendor: (No match record)
Chip Part-Number: (No match record)
Product Vendor: Generic
Product Model: Flash Disk
Tools on Web: (N/A)
H2TESTW RESULTS:
—————-
The media is likely to be defective.
186.6 MByte OK (382248 sectors)
1.7 GByte DATA LOST (3721944 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
1.7 GByte corrupted (3721944 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000000baa5000
Expected: 0x000000000baa5000
Found: 0x0000000000000000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 11.6 MByte/s
Reading speed: 10.8 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
MM66 said
(I already sent this info to SOSFakeFlash)
I purchased a fake from eBay from seller zhouxiping_1011. A 16GB microsdhc was actually 2GB. Received a refund after getting multiple run-arounds (I had to escalate the claim). I was later bribed to change negative feedback. Don’t change feedback no matter what – they got what they deserve and are most-likely lying anyway.
h2testw Output:
Warning: Only 15991 of 15992 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
1.9 GByte OK (4071360 sectors)
13.6 GByte DATA LOST (28678208 sectors)
Details:13.6 GByte overwritten (28678208 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
0 KByte corrupted (0 sectors)
16 MByte aliased memory (32768 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000007b3f8000
Expected: 0x000000007b3f8000
Found: 0x00000003e73f8000
H2testw version 1.3
Writing speed: 3.46 MByte/s
Reading speed: 7.49 MByte/s
H2testw v1.4
Andy said
Hi Guys,
I too got caught out by the Fake Flash Drive cons:
Bought from ebay user xinshifeng (chenxiping118@yahoo.com.cn) who has been kicked from eBay, but
PayPal still want me to jump through hoops for a refund, even though I’ve proved it’s
a fake flash drive. It even has a fake Sony logo, but it wasn’t sold as Sony on the auction.
I opened a dispute with PayPal and the seller offered a 1EUR refund which I declined… WTF ?
PayPal now want me to return the item to qualify for a refund, but WTF, I will ask the seller to
pay for p&p, cheap return would be £6 for Airmail (only tracked until it leaves UK), then £49.39
for Parcel Force Global Priority.
The address is probably fake too:
Tang bingkun
56#, 7Alley, Shi Pai Village,
Wang Niudun Town,
Dongguan City,
Guangdong Province, China
Here’s the results:
[Chip Genius]
Device Name: +[G:]+USB Mass Storage Device(Generic Flash Disk 2.0 USB Device)
PnP Device ID: VID = 5136 PID = 4678
Serial Number: 6&&232EED0B&&0&&1
Revision: 2.60
Device Type: Standard USB device – USB2.0 High-Speed
Chip Vendor: micov(???)
Chip Part-Number:
Product Vendor: Generic
Product Model: Flash Disk 2.0
[H2testw]
Warning: Only 54817 of 63984 MByte tested.
The media is likely to be defective.
1.9 GByte OK (4108928 sectors)
2.2 GByte DATA LOST (4728192 sectors)
Details:0 KByte overwritten (0 sectors)
0 KByte slightly changed (< 8 bit/sector, 0 sectors)
2.2 GByte corrupted (4728192 sectors)
0 KByte aliased memory (0 sectors)
First error at offset: 0x000000007d650000
Expected: 0x000000007d650000
Found: 0xaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
H2testw version 1.3
Now i've ran the test the drive only shows 8MB of capacity :-(.
Keith Jenner said
Hi, I got a 32gb usb memory pen stick from obamastores2 (ebay) All seemed ok when received late Jan 2010 so gave good feedback. Shortly after, problems arose. Properties stated 8gb. Sent email to ebay address advising such. was advised to format it but was unable to do it in Wxp or W7. Further contact resulted in being told to send item back for a replacement or refund. I sent item back to Peng Cheng Hui (OB) 32b, XiaoFeng Building, YouYi Road, Luohu District, Shenzhen, 518002, Guangdong Province, China. After not hearing anything I sent another email asking whats happening. Reply was have checked at postoffice, received item so they will send replacement. That was mid April. Still waiting and any emails I send to obamastores2@gmail.com I get an immediate reply:Dear friend,
Thanks for your message.
As i am so busy recently,so your email will be replied as soon as possible..:-)
Please don’t worry.
Best regards,
obamastores
They are still trading on ebay
If only I had done a search before bidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks, Keith.
Evan said
Hey, I ordered something from a scammer yesterday, I’m 100% sure its gonna be fake. Is there any way I can make it so that it shows as what the real capacity is?
InspectorTech said
Hi Evan,
See https://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/h2testw-14-gold-standard-in-detecting-usb-counterfeit-drives/ and download the software. It will help you to find out what the real capacity is.
Make sure you test before using the item to store inforamtion.