Massive Fraud! tianshu0525 eBay Fake Flash seller Continues To Make eBay Members Victims. Fight Back!

tianshu0525 fake flash seller defies eBay and eBay members by selling fake memory cards! SOSFaKeFlash on June 23, 2009 published: tianshu0525 Ebay Fake Flash Seller Alert – China tianshu0525 crawled into his shell and then began another round of fake flash selling! He is currently listing and making new victims.

It is unusual at SOSFakeFlash for a fake flash seller to make it to the most popular posts, there are so many hits for different fraudulent sellers they balance out. tianshu0525 is lighting up the console in searches!

If you are a victim of tianshu0525, please fight back! Leave immediate negative feedback and warn other buyers who left positive feedback. You can stop this seller if you want to. Report his listings at the bottom of the pages and warn others!

Report in to SOSFakeFlash if your testing confirms you have a false capacity device.

Don’t forget to leave the calling card of “SOSFakeFlash” and “H2testw” in your feedback to help others. Do not change your feedback to get a refund – you will only create more victims. If you don’t like what happened to you, let the seller, eBay and PayPal know exactly how you feel!

Beware of eBay Sellers Who Demand You Withdraw Negative feedback!

Ebay sellers do not have the right to ask members to change their feedback as a condition of refund. It is a direct violation of eBay policy! See eBay – What To Do When Sellers Demands You Change Your Negative Feedback To Positive For A Refund Or Demands Positive As A Condition Of Refund – A Guide

The reason so many eBay members continue to suffer fraud is that they change their feedback! Yes, it is true. In doing this a fraudulent seller continues. The seller makes more victims. So if you are a victim of a fake usb flash drive or mp player or memory card – do not be surprised. It is very sad. eBay members, trying to get their money back betray other ebay members! Do not get angry with them. Most will never get their money back. In betraying you, they learn the hard way, no refund.

Stand up. Fight! Don’t believe what we are saying? see dingdingstore11

Decide. Are you a person who believes fraud is wrong? Is the only thing that matters is YOU? Or do you belive it is wrong to fraud people? If you think it is wrong to fraud, you have a choice to make. Stand up and sayNO! or crawl on your belly and change your feedback. We know just how hard it is to earn money. It hurts. Are you the kind of person who thinks only of yourself, or do you think of other people too?

eBay seller dingdingstore11 is a nasty piece of work. His reply demonstrates why YOU became a victim!

If you believe it is wrong to fraud people, you need to add your voice. It means you do not give in. It means you fight. You care about others. You warn other eBay members. You don’t let fraudsters get away with selling fake mp players, memory cards or usb flash drives.

It can be a bitter experience. It is also a test of who you are, what you beleive in. Make sure you report to eBay and PayPal. Record any seller such as dingdingstore11 who was stupid enough to demand that you change your negative feedback for a refund. Trap them!

Understand that in changing your feedback, you are not necessarily going to get your refund, You will not have an opportunity to change it again and you will create more victims. Decide.

fengfeng_joy2008 Fraud – Conversations between THH And Fake Flash Seller On Fake 32GB Memory Cards. Tale of Denial, Bribery And Violation Of eBay’s Feedback Policies

THH is a eBay victim of eBay Fake Flash Seller, fengfeng_joy2008. fengfeng_joy2008 is connected to the infamous zjlee08 eBay id. THH bought a 32GB memory card.

THH wrote SOSFakeFlash to share his conversations and story of what it is like to interact with a fake flash seller on eBay.

THH remained polite and direct. For anyone attempting to dialogue with a fake flash seller of memory cards, usb flash drives or mp players in the Orient, this article will provide excellent teaching and insight.

Update July 24th, 2009. The eBay id fengfeng_joy2008 changed to happyyaoyao2009 as a result of this article, in an attempt to evade frauded buyers.

Ebay & International Law – Listings And Transactions – Dealing With Counterfeit Fake USB Flash Drives, MP Players, Memory Cards

SOSFakeFlash’s Randy has important information that may help you with your claim against an international fake flash seller on eBay who sold you a false capacity (fake) MP Player, memory card or usb flash drive on eBay. Hopefully your kept your packaging!

Ebay & International Law

Consult: http://pages.ebay.ca/help/policies/international-trading.html

eBay insists that listings and transactions comply with the laws of the countries where both the seller and the high bidder reside. Users are responsible for ensuring that their transactions are lawful in both countries. eBay strongly suggests that users educate themselves about the laws of their own country and the countries where they plan to do business.

In addition the paypal / ebay complaints that you may submit for the fake flash drive, mp player or memory card, you may also want to consider submitting policy complaints on the seller. Some potential areas that a seller may infringe on local laws or regulations in your country.

1. Starting with the mailing package that the flash device was shipped in. Hopefully, you still have the mailing package.

Starting with the Customs declaration (CN22 form):

A) Did the seller indicate that the product was a gift?

If so, this is not true, and your country customs laws should consider this to be fraud.

B) Is the description on the CN22 correct?

If not, then your country customs laws may be infringed.

C) Did the seller indicate the country of origin?

If not, then again your customs laws may be infringed.

The CN22 form contains the following declaration.

I, the undersigned, whose name and address are given of the item certify that the particulars give in this declaration are correct and that the item does not contain any dangerous article or articles prohibited by legislation or by postal or customs regulations.

If the seller did not complete the form correctly you could also complain to the postal authorities is the sellers country and Ebay.

2. Regarding the contents of the package:

A) Did the flash drive, mp player or memory card or the packing that it came in have “country of origin” markings?

If not, this could be in violation of your countries customs laws or consumer protection laws.

You can use this information to help you pursue your claim if any of the conditions Randy mentioned are found. It can also cut to the quick about any arguments or issues with a Paypal claim. The more evidence you have that laws are being broken, the easier it should be.

We think this is exactly the kind of information eBay could leverage very quickly to help you. Instead of having to argue or dispute on the validity of fake or not fake. We all know that a tested items indicates whether it is or not, but this is another angle and it could be a lot easier to pursue.

Fraud eBay – MP Players, Memory Cards, USB Flash Drives – Countries Impacted – Common Fake Capacity Sizes

You will find almost any size of fake capacity for mp players, usb flash cards and memory cards on ebay. SOSFakeFlash has investigated and confirmed: 512MB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, 16GB, 32GB, 40GB, 64GB, 80GB, 120GB, 128GB. There are other sizes too, but buyers have not reported them – yet. You will find fakes in famous brand names and in generics.

The FrankenFlash Project is now in it’s 19th month of operation.

Objective? Clean up eBay. Promote global awareness for this sinister problem. Investigate and catch the fraudsters – not just on eBay only. Warn consumers. Force eBay and Paypal to step up to their responsiblities. eBay sellers of these devices are so skilled at manipulating eBay – they rule, eBay does not. Only recently will eBay suspend them if You the victim fight back and complain. You will be suprised at the number of countries we have on file.

Instead of a usual dry numbers report here is our summary and impressions:

eBay and PayPal’s feelings toward eBay members

eBay members who try to warn others – eBay’s actions

You, the victim in action!

Fake Flash Reprogrammers

eBay Fake Flash sellers, the joy of greed and your pain.

We need more scouts patrolling eBay and rescuing fellow buyers with messages to test. Why? Have a look at the list of countries impacted!

Make a guess before you click to see if your country is on the list.

The Truth About MP Players Sold On eBay – SOSFakeFlash Education Week For Consumers

SOSFakeFlash MP Player education begins! We will be presenting alerts exclusively on eBay fake flash sellers of MP Players. This is a very high profit area for fraudsters on eBay and it is growing at an alarming pace. Selling in high volume a great deal of money is being made. The sad fact is, few buyers ever discover the truth!

eBay Fraud! flea_auction aka gamers-auction aka flea-auction Ebay Fake Flash Seller High Alert Devious- Hong Kong

eBay seller flea_auction demonstrates how fraud is easily carried out on eBay. Sellers of fake flash devices such as usb flash drives, memory cards and MP Players are skilled in frauding buyers. They easily manipulate eBay and know it’s weaknesses and exploit them!

SOSFakeFlash launches MP Player education week with this seller! Why? To demonstrate how a seller can continue to engage in frauding buyers.

On May 29, 2009 SOSFakeFlash Published: gamers-auction aka flea-auction Ebay Fake Flash Seller High Alert Devious- Hong Kong

This seller changed his id name to avoid detection. Now he has changed it again! So alerts should now read: “flea_auction aka gamers-auction aka flea-auction“. That makes for a very long title line. Will he change his name again? Probably. This a powerseller who thinks he is smart. Well in using private auctions, we can say he is intelligent in frauding. In his feedback where ever you see “private” instead of an ebay item number you are guaranteed he sold a fake flash item. This is how the game is played for persistent fake flash sellers on eBay. They take the longest to expose and they hurt the most eBayers. So what is he selling since he changed his id again? Have a look. This is important reading for anyone who bought an MP Player on eBay!

United States – Canada – Australia – Europe: eBay Sellers Of Fake MP Players, Memory Cards, USB Flash Drives. Blind Pursuit Of Greed and The Get Rich Quick Scheme.

Ebay Fake Flash Sellers in the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe are different from their Oriental cousins. Most Oriental fake flash sellers are just trying to move low capacity chips at their actual price with a modest mark up – to achieve this they just digitally alter the chips to appear the size consumers are interested in.

Fake flash eBay sellers elsewhere, only see Hugh dollar signs – get rich quick schemes. The majority do not do their product homework, they dive into the fake flash bargain bin at wholesaling internet sites in the Orient. Their goal? To buy a 32GB usb flash drive at $6 US and sell it at $40 US or more! Do you think the Project is pulling your leg? Read: Wholesale Prices For Fake Sony Kingston Counterfeit USB Flash Drives 16GB 32GB 64Gb 120GB 240GB 360GB 500GB

Their markup is unrealistic, but again greed blinds people. Times are hard and many just want to believe that selling flash based devices will quickly earn them many pots of gold. All financial woes to end, easy money here I come!

The number of eBay sellers who have been caught for selling fake flash in North America and Europe is not small. While some have been prodded into removing their listings quickly when good souls like you contact them to:

1) test
2) read up on the subject

others quickly flipped the switch on their auction listing to “Private Auctions” to avoid detection, refusing to allow anyone to spoil their profit objectives.

Worse still, are eBay fake flash victims who turn to the dark side. Having been sold fakes, they feel they have a right to sell them to others. Pass the Buck. If I got scr*wed why shouldn’t you. Diabolical, but true!

• Ebay Fake Flash Seller arifqammar – A Mystery In The Ukraine
• darnubiz Ebay Fake Flash Seller Alert USA – Mystery Of a Kingston DataTraveler USB Flash Drive

There are others but the stories depressing and miserable.

To the Project, the only thing worse than a fake flash seller is a fake flash victim who tries to sell his fakes to others.

The saddest case on file is a seller in Spain who sold his fake to a brand new eBay member – his very first purchase on eBay!

This might seem gloomy about eBay sellers outside of the Orient. You need to know there are positive outcomes. eBay sellers who having discovered they were selling fakes, make it a point to contact every single buyer and refund them! Apologize too. These sellers are classified as “Victim Sellers”. They helped to co-found the FrankenFlash Project with eBayer victims. Are you surprised?

eBay is a mirror of the world in which we live. The same applies to eBay and PayPal – as many companies that have followed the cost cutting mantra of this age, they have forgotten about who matters, who gives them business – YOU!

So what did you pay for your false capacity device from an eBay seller in United States or Canada or Australia or Europe? Did you pay a lot more than from Oriental fake flash sellers? The average bid prices up to the end of May 2009 are:

You will see that outside of the orient (under Asia) , the bid prices are higher for eBay sellers located on other continents. It makes little difference. A Fake is a fake. Only buyers attempting to avoid the orient thinking that they will get a true capacity flash device and who buy elsewhere, are just as likely to fall into the fake flash pit. Why? The prices paid are not in line with the true costs. There is little mark up or profit to be made selling these items, unless you can move in very large quantities.

We also need to be fair here. The current state of the global economy is partly due to a problem in values and beliefs. For too long everyone has believed you can get “more for less”. The fact is as we have said repeatedly – there is a rock bottom fair price. If you go below this, you will not get what you are expecting. It is impossible to deliver to you. No one sells to lose money.

The echo of all fake flash victims is the same. “I did not know”. Everyone including members of the FrankenFlash Project thought they were just cutting out the middle men. It is a rude surprise and awakening for all. In some cases with tragic consequences – permanent data loss. Most fake flash victims as a result of their ordeal and that includes members of the Project, became wiser as a result of this horrible experience.

If it is too good to be true, it usually is…

As a result of this experience many no longer buy on eBay and quite a few have left PayPal tool. Most victims are resolved to buy locally from reputable sellers and are now willing to pay the true and realistic prices for mp players, usb flash drives and memory cards.

Additional Reading:

• USB Flash Drives Best Price Bargains Fair Value To Sell Or Buy 8GB 16GB 32GB
• Genuine Verses Fake Counterfeit USB Flash Drives – A Guide – USB Flash Chips Used In USB Flash Drives – Grades A B C D
• What Are The Real Costs For Flash Chips In China? Guide 2009
• FAKE 16GB 32GB 64GB – Conversations Between A Fake Flash Seller and A Victim – The Truth About the Scam Exposed

eBay Victims do not leave positive Feedback or change FB to positive to get refunds!

SOSFakeFlash monitors feedback on fake flash sellers. We are NOT happy to see people change their feedback to neutral or positive to get a refund! Why?

The Orient – eBay Sellers Of Fake MP Players, Memory Cards, USB Flash Drives. Are You Not Getting What You Paid For?

Fake flash sellers on eBay are clever. The ones located in the Orient are professional, even polite. They have a long term view and have been in business for a long time on eBay – long before you bought your false capacity device!

Rarely rude, at least not at the at the start, they will apologize and do all they can to have you believe the item is defective or a mistake. Even point the finger at their wicked supplier for having deceived them to milk your tears of sympathy for all it is worth. They will plead saying their job is at stake. They will negotiate. They will bribe. They will tailor the story to your personality. It is an art form, part of doing business. You will not find the crude vulgarity displayed by North American scammers nor the obstinate short tempered nature of European fraudsters.

Many think the Oriental fake flash sellers are greedy. No they are not. They are moving product in volume. Since low capacity devices don’t sell, they simply dress them up to the capacity that will interest buyers.

The reality is, you simply pay a small premium for the value of possessing a counterfeit of false capacity. Known to victims as fake usb flash drives, fake mp players, fake memory cards Those who perform the digital alteration need to be be paid for their efforts. The data collected by the Frankenflash project supports this for items purchased in the Orient, for 16GB advertised capacity it is glaring. The true capacity of the flash chips are in line with the prices paid along with a small premium mark up added. Not what you were hoping to hear?

Consider the price you paid for your item then read:

• USB Flash Drives Best Price Bargains Fair Value To Sell Or Buy 8GB 16GB 32GB
• Genuine Verses Fake Counterfeit USB Flash Drives – A Guide – USB Flash Chips Used In USB Flash Drives – Grades A B C D
• What Are The Real Costs For Flash Chips In China? Guide 2009

Have a look at the average bid price a seller receives by the continent where the seller is located. Sellers in the Orient fall under “Asia”

The data is current up to the end of May 2009. Shipping charges are not tracked. If you read up on the cost of flash chips, now use the true capacity of your flash drive chip against the bid prices sellers in the Orient receive. What are your conclusions?

Unfortunately while fake flash eBay sellers in the Orient feel they are just “doing business” – the sad fact is, they are selling data poison. Buyers lose their files when it comes to usb flash drives and memory cards. The damage done has devastated many. For Buyers of MP Players, they receive aggravation and a loss of consumer confidence in buying ANYTHING that comes from the Orient.

You may find this article very interesting reading:

FAKE 16GB 32GB 64GB – Conversations Between A Fake Flash Seller and A Victim – The Truth About the Scam Exposed

6 Continents eBay Fake MP Players – USB Pen Drives – Memory Cards – SOSFakeFlash

The FrankenFlash Project has been tracking where fake Fake MP Players, USB Pen Drives and memory cards sold on eBay go. SOSFakeFlash has spend thirteen months investigating counterfeits. Presented by the six continents of Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, Oceania and South America the information is current ending in May 2009.

What were the average eBay bid prices for the fake usb memory sticks, MP Players and memory cards investigated by the advertised capacity on eBay?

The different sites in the FrankenFlash project have been researching the cost of flash drive chips. Recently FlashChipTutor learned that the cost has doubled per Gigabyte at the beginining of the year. Previously it was $1 US dollar per GB but now is $2 US. It should be noted that this is for the smaller chips and not the latest ones. Much also depends on the quality of the flash drive nand chip.

If one uses this rule of thumb it could mean that the current cost of an 8GB chip is? 8×2= 16 $US Dollars. What would it be for

Note that the average prices are over a 13 month period of data collection. Recently we had several resellers inform us that the cost for flash chips have been rising as FlashChipTutor predicted they would. To find out what the real costs are for flash chips please read:

• What Are The Real Costs For Flash Chips In China? Guide 2009
• USB Flash Drives Best Price Bargains Fair Value To Sell Or Buy 8GB 16GB 32GB

Afterwards you might be interested in reading through this article.

FAKE 16GB 32GB 64GB – Conversations Between A Fake Flash Seller and A Victim – The Truth About the Scam Exposed

Full Report Ebay 200804 – 200905 Counterfeit And Fake Memory Cards, MP Players, Flash Memory USB Pensticks Sold On eBay By Seller To Help You Recognize The Fakes

The new edition of the master report on eBay fake flash devices sold by seller now contains 13 months of data. Presented to you by the FrankenFlashProject this new report contains 390 sellers and 1,044 models, the majority with photos used at auction. Previously this report was referred to as the fake flash sellers mug shot report.

In the early months of the battle to rid eBay of these fraudsters, there was less emphasis on documenting and preserving all the fakes investigated. At the time, SOSFakeFlash and Ebayers Against Fake Flash Devices thought through effort and arm twisting eBay would finally wake up after fives years and address the issue. They did not.

Instead, they attempted to hound and persecute those who worked inside eBay addressing the issue and promoting awareness. Many found themselves suspended or locked out, but for each fake flash angel whose wings were singed another soon stepped forward.

As SOSFakeFlash kept investigating and publishing alerts, eBay began to suspend sellers. At first you might think this is postive, but it also gives eBay the ability to immediately remove all of the sellers listings current and previous; to prevent any further negative feedback from accumulating against a seller. As a result SOSFakeFlash documents in advance to ensure evidence remains and is preserved. While this creates a lot of additional overhead and work, it is necessary so that you might have the master report.

SOSFakeFlash’s Investigative Master Report of ebay fake flash sellers. Devices sold from April 2008 to May 2009.

This file is in pdf format. 2.1 MB is size. Contains 65 pages and is in colour.

You the eBay victims, have made this report possible. By reporting to us using the report a fake tab and by fake flash angel cells sending their contributions, together you build this list! It is something no one can deny. It also means people who have said there is a problem on eBay all these years were not making it up. It is real. Of course eBay already knows this, they just do not want the global public to find out. Get your report and review it for yourselves. What are your conclusions?

Continue to fight back. Contact fellow victims of your fake flash seller and rescue them. You will find some willing to join you if you show you are committed to having the seller REMOVED. If you look at the eBay Fake Flash Sellers List and review the current one you will see many fake flash sellers are under suspension. That is the power of YOU!

FAKE 16GB 32GB 64GB – Conversations Between A Fake Flash Seller and A Victim – The Truth About the Scam Exposed

Why are fake usb pen sticks, MP players and memory cards sold on eBay? The false capacity ranging from 2GB 4GB 8GB 16GB 32GB 60GB 64GB 120GB 240GB 260GB 360GB to 500GB sizes.

One size is advertised but the true size is much smaller! You buy a 16GB MP player but only get 2GB or 4GB of storage. You buy a 16GB usb flash drive and get 1GB or 2GB of storage, maybe 4GB if you are lucky. You buy a 16GB memory card and only get 2GB or 4GB. When it comes to usb flash drives and memory cards, the digital alteration of the controller flash chip is deadly – you lose your data! Do the ebay sellers know what they are doing? Is there a reason?

Recently SOSFakeFlash asked for stories, experiences. We received one, an explicit conversation between a fake flash seller and a buyer victim. It dates to the summer of 2008 and nothing since has changed. It is published exactly as received. It might be long but if you want answers start reading!

Unpaid Item Strike eBay – What To Do When A Fake Flash Seller Gets Vindictive

You bought a fake MP Player, usb flash drive or memory card and discovered the Truth. You dragged the fake flash seller to the PayPal dispute console and forced him to return your money. Your money is refunded, then suddenly you find an unpaid item strike against you from eBay. What is going on? What should you do?

About The Danger Of Drop-shipping For Both Sellers And Buyers On ebay For MP Players, USB Flash Pen Sticks And Memory Cards

There are a lot of fake MP Players, memory cards and usb flash drives being sold on eBay. The FrankenFlash Project is struggling to free eBay from these devices that cause so much pain to buyers when they lose data. The project is also trying to educate the global public about the problem – it can be found everywhere now.

On eBay a lot of buyers are puzzled about why their sellers are listed in one country but they receive merchandise sent from another. Unfortunately many eBay Sellers use “drop shipping” and do not carefully inspect their merchandise. As a result they are paying the price when eBay members find out that they have received fake and counterfeit items. All sellers need to be careful about what they sell, whether on eBay or elsewhere.

Recently FakeFakeNews published a great article we think everyone needs to read – sellers and buyers alike. You will learn about what this drop-shipping is and why it can be very dangerous.

Read: The danger of drop-shipping for both sellers and buyers on ebay

PayPal Demands Aids Criminal Activity – Danger! eBay Refunds For Fake Flash USB drives – Fake MP Players – Fake Memory Cards

eBay and Paypal orders victims of fake flash purchases to return the crime to the criminals as a condition of refund. What happens? When victims of fake flash purchases on are ordered to return the items, SOSFakeFlash considers it aiding and abeiting criminals and sheltering them to continue in their black market activity. Selling fake MP Players, fake usb flash drives and fake memory cards is big business on eBay and has harmed many with data loss. In forcing members to return items as a condition of refund both ebay and PayPal participate in the crime, they force members to violate the laws found in most countries that prohibit using the local postal system to send or receive fake and counterfeit goods. Some eBay members are not aware of this. Others are but because eBay and PayPal refuse to listen and as they have suffered a serious financial loss attempt to examine the possibility of returning the items. What happens to eBay members when then return the items? Do they get a refund? What are the challenges many eBayers face when they try determine where to send the items back?

A recent case involving eBay Seller worldshiping12699 and eBay Buyer BarryX is presented to demonstrate the problems.

itchee9888 aka itchee98 Ebay Fake Flash Seller Returns To Selling Fake and False Capacity Devices Switching From USB Flash Pen Sticks To MP Players And Memory Cards

Recently released From eBay Fake Flash Prison the former eBay Fake Flash seller of USB Flash drives changed his id from itchee98 to itchee9888.

The itchee98 id has frauded thousands of eBayers since Autumn 2007. Current estimates are over $800,000 in earning for the 28 month period.

PayPal Orders You To Return Fake MP Players, Fake MP Players , Fake USB Flash Drives, Fake Memory Cards To Get A Refund? Think Again!

Are you thinking of obeying PayPals demands to return fake MP Players, Memory Cards or usb flash drives purchased on eBay from a fake flash seller to get a refund? SOSFakeFlash has published many articles on why you should not. We think you should read the latest article just published by FakeFlashNews.

eBay Refunds For Fake Flash USB drives – Returning For Refunds. How Many Addresses Do Fake Flash Sellers Have – A Buyer’s Confusion

After reading it please consult PayPal How Long Do You Have To Claim For A Refund In Disputes? A Guide About PayPal From eBayer’s Experiences. and read all the helpful articles published in that guide to assist victims of fake flash purchases on eBay!