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PayPal Shields EBay Fake Flash Seller 3ToTrade – Odyssey of FlashDad

Posted by KittyFireFlash on September 14, 2008

Paypal – deaf and dumb, this is the conclusion of eBayers claiming against fraudulent sellers of usb fake flash drives on eBay. Are there any real employees at PayPal? eBayers are assulted by email templating from mindless robotic emailers. They suspect that those clicking on the templates to select responses have an IQ no greater than 10. This is astonishing and very hard to believe. Is technology overuling common sense in a effort to save pennies?

We have reviewed too many communications sent to eBayers and have one conclusion – those operating the dispute console have no room to use their intelligence – the robotic templates control.

The language which follows is for mature audiences only. SOSFakeFlash will not censor the emotions of those frustrated by PayPal, eBay or Fake Flash Sellers. We do code the identity of those who come forward and will remove information which leads to personal identificaton.

Presented is the story of FlashDad, who followed procedure and filed a claim at PayPay, naively believing there was something called “Buyer Protection“.

Note: in PayPal communications, numbers are blanked out by PayPal in responses with “#”. We find this most annoying.

The communications are presented in reverse chronological order:

FlashDad <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sun, Sep 7, 2008
To: Ebayers Against False Capacity Drives <xxxxxxxx@xxx>

Hi xxxxxxxx take your time and read the information which i recieved and sent to Paypal, my case has been cancelled because i failed to provide information to Paypal. Supposedly!

Read the whole Fucking lot, Paypal, and tell me how i failed to respond to requests for additional “information about this claim”. Paypal never requested additional information at all, they requested me to send back the item even given the fact that it is illegal to send counterfiet products through the postal system in Sweden.

Sent to PayPal:

What a load of bullshit. You guys requested that i sent the item back to the fraudster seller which is against the law here in Sweden, given the fact that it was counterfiet. I have contacted you on several occassions leading up to the end of this claim and have not recieved one response from you at all and i have all the records of my correspondence to Paypal. Paypal sucks and i will be taking this matter further to have Paypal and its behaviours investigated because it is now proven after you failed to resolve my case that you support these fraudsters in their mission to fleece the market with counterfiet products and rob genuine buyers like myself and many others in order for Paypal to get its share of money out of it all. The end is far from over in this case, even considering that Paypal is incapable of concluding that 3totrade is frauding E-Bay worldwide! The proof is in the pudding Paypal, how much damning evidence do i need to provide for you to justify my claim.

I guess i am expecting to much from such an incapable service that treats its customers with automated responses and does “Fuckall” to help the hand that feeds this service.

Welldone Paypal you have lost one regular customer and i gaurantee there will be thousands more to follow. Keep up the POOR work!

PayPal Cancelling The Claim September 6th, 2008:

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:58:04
To: FlashDad
Subject: Resolution of case # PP-xxx-xxx-xxx

Dear FlashDad,

We have concluded our investigation into the following claim:

Seller’s Name: Chiu Sui Chun
Seller’s Email:
Seller’s Transaction ID: 0x0000000x000000000

Transaction Date: Jul 30, 2008
Transaction Amount: -xx.xx GBP
Your Transaction ID: 00000000000000000000
Case Number: PP-xxx-xxx-xxx

Buyer’s Transaction ID: 00000000000000000000

Our records indicate that you never responded to requests for additional
information about this claim. This claim has been cancelled, we hope that
you have worked out this situation amicably with your seller.

Thank you for your cooperation.


Protection Services Department

PayPal does not tolerate fraud or illegal activities. Your complaint has
been noted in the record of the PayPal user you reported. If we find this
user has violated our policies, we will investigate and take appropriate
action. If this occurs, you may be contacted in the future about the status
of this complaint.

To make sure future transactions proceed smoothly, we suggest you visit the
PayPal site and click the Security Center link located at the bottom of any
page. There you will find tips on how to avoid fraudulent sellers in the
“Fraud Prevention Tips for Buyers” section.

Please do not reply to this email. This mailbox is not monitored and you
will not receive a response. For assistance, log in to your PayPal account
and click the Help link in the top right corner of any PayPal page.

Copyright © 1999-2008 PayPal. All rights reserved.

PayPal (Europe) S.à r.l. & Cie, S.C.A.
Société en Commandite par Actions
Registered Office: 5th Floor 22-24 Boulevard Royal L-2449, Luxembourg
RCS Luxembourg B 118 349

PayPal Email ID PP618

We are very confused. PayPal ignored the information presented by FlashDad but spouts:

PayPal does not tolerate fraud or illegal activities. Your complaint has been noted in the record of the PayPal user you reported. If we find this user has violated our policies, we will investigate and take appropriate action. If this occurs, you may be contacted in the future about the status
of this complaint.

You are invited to see the current tally for fake flash drives that have been investigated and confirmed to be fakes for 3ToTrade at this site. This we must stress, only represents a fraction of the eBayers who bought drives from this fake flash usb drive seller. As of September 14th we have 94 on file.

FlashDad To PayPal August 30th, 2008

From: FlashDad
Subject: RE: Current escalated claim PP-xxx-xxx-xxx (xxxxxxxxxxxx) :xxxx
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:12:37

Hi, Thanks for your Reply, what you dont seem to understand is that it is illegal in swedish Law to ship anything countrefiet or fake through the postal system which means that i cannot ship the item back to the seller given this law. It appears nonetheless that whatever the circumstances are Paypal require me to ship the item back in order for me to recieve a refund. That proves that Paypal are supporting these criminals and fraudsters with their crimes and leaving us genuine people out there that are funding paypal in the lerch. This will be going further as it is obvious that you dont understand the legality of all this. Read my email that i wrote to you first which is below here. Try to understand what it says and do not attach an automated reply to this response as it does nothing to help my case that is open with you. If you cant manage the case then pass it on to someone that can. Thanks

PayPal to FlashDad August 30th, 2008

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:32:04 +0000
To: FlashDad
Subject: Re: Current escalated claim PP-xxx-xxx-xxx (xxxxxxxxxxxx) :xxxx

Dear FlashDad,

Thank you for contacting PayPal.

Hello my name is Tasha Krista, I am sorry to hear about the situation
regarding case number PP-xxx-xxx-xxx, and understand your frustration
and concern over this issue. I am happy to assist you with your

If a claim for Significantly Not as Described is decided in the buyer’s
favor, we may require the buyer to ship the item at the buyer’s expense
to the seller, or to a third party designated by PayPal.

Proof of shipment documents is required. Once PayPal confirms the item
has returned to the seller or the third party designated by PayPal, the
refund is processed.

To learn the specific terms and conditions of the PayPal Buyer
Protection Process, simply click “Legal Agreements” on any PayPal

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us again.

Tasha Krista
PayPal, an eBay Company

Copyright © 1999-2008 PayPal. All rights reserved.
Consumer advisory – PayPal Pte. Ltd., the holder of PayPal’s stored
value facility, does not require the approval of the Monetary Authority
of Singapore. Users are advised to read the terms and conditions

FlashDad’s Original Message To PayPal complaint-response

Original Message Follows:

Hi, i have a current case open in the resolution center case number PP-xxx-xxx-xxx and have recieved an offer from the seller via Paypal for a full refund on the condition that i return the counterfiet product that the seller sold to me via E-bay. However due to my countries laws, it is illegal for anyone to post counterfiet, fake items through the postal system and Paypal should already know that this is also illegal and should not by any means support this kind of activity at all.

I have a clean account both on Paypal as well as ebay and have become victim to fraudsters and find it hard to believe that Paypal are supporting this activity through its claims process by ordering the return of an illegal product before a refund is granted. The seller #totrade is under investigation as we speak and there is literally ###´s of victims from the same seller, going through the same process as i am in order to be refunded under the same conditions that paypal is requesting me to do.

I am horrified by paypals request and want this to be further investigated. I refuse to send the counterfiet item back to the seller with the reason being that once the item is sent even with a tracking number it appears that the seller is claiming that the item has not arrived and therefor applies an undelivered or unpaid strike to your name on E-bay. This has happened on several occasions already with reports from other victims warning us about the sellers activity.

Please open my case file and go through the details carefully and inform me on my next step. The resolution center is awaiting my response and as i said i am not going to put myself in the position to post illegal objects and become victim again, especially when the seller is recieving the returned items and claiming that they have not arrived and striking everyone that has paid for there items with an unpaid strike. Contact me immediately with a reply to where i should go from here. Thanks FlashDad

It is very clear that FlashDad like so many other eBayers has tried to warn PayPal and like so many others PayPal IGNORED. If PayPal continues to ignore eBayers warning about Fake Flash Sellers on eBay, continues to shelter and protect these sellers then unfortunately PayPal is likely to find itself being held accountable.

Afterall it is PayPal who writes:

PayPal does not tolerate fraud or illegal activities.

in their email template responses, not us. They are NOT living up to their claim.

2 Responses to “PayPal Shields EBay Fake Flash Seller 3ToTrade – Odyssey of FlashDad”

  1. G-J Lemmers said

    I have also bought a stick from 3trade 32gig and he is realy 8 gig, i send it back and pay-pal doesn’t do anything for me.
    I sent it back by tnt but it is not trace bel because secutirty reason.
    I sent pay-pal the note from the post office that i sent the item back to the adres i get from pay-pal.
    But they are not giving me the money back because 3trade said the stick is not arrived.
    I thought that Ebay and Pay-pal are working against people who are making fraud to send fake stuf

  2. FakeStopper said

    Hi G-J Lemmers

    As you can see PayPal and Ebay aren’t doing alot to stop this nor protect the buyer about it. I suggest you to give paypal a call and let them know your situation. Tell them you want to speak so someone senior about your case and you have sent the item back. Because you have sent the item back you should receive your full refund.

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